Trivago [TRVG] Conference call transcript for 2023 q3
2023-11-02 21:16:04
Fiscal: 2023 q3
Operator: Good day, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by and welcome to the trivago Q3 Earnings Call 2023. All lines will be muted during the presentation portion of the call with an opportunity for question-and-answer at the end. [Operator Instructions] I must advise you the call is being recorded today, Thursday, 2nd of November, 2023. We are pleased to be joined on the call today by Johannes Thomas, trivago’s CEO and Managing Director, as well as Matthias Tillmann, trivago’s CFO and Managing Director. The following discussion including responses to your questions reflects management’s views as of today Thursday, November 2, 2023, only. trivago does not undertake any obligation to update or revise this information. As always, some of the statements made on today’s call are forward-looking, typically preceded by words such as we expect, we believe, we anticipate, or similar statements. Please refer to the Q3 2023 operating and financial review and the company’s other filings with the SEC for information about factors, which could cause trivago’s actual results to differ materially from these forward-looking statements. You will find reconciliations of non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures discussed today in trivago’s operating and financial review, which is posted on the company’s IR website at ir.trivago.com. You are encouraged to periodically visit trivago’s Investor Relations site for important content. Finally, unless otherwise stated, all comparisons on this call will be against results for the comparable period of 2022. With that, let me turn the call over to Johannes. Please go ahead.
Johannes Thomas: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our Q3 2023 earnings call. Following our last conversation, I'm glad to provide you with updates on our journey towards reigniting trivago's growth and presence in the market. Our mission is clear. When price savvy travelers think about booking a hotel, we want them to think trivago. We simplified our planning, help them safe and instill confidence in their booking decision. The quarter unfolded largely as we anticipated. The continued negative effects of reduced brand marketing during the pandemic, our normalized monetization and volatility in Google search ads continue to impact us. However, with major uncertainties now behind us and a robust travel outlook, we are encouraged by our TV campaign performance this summer. This positive momentum has steered our decision to change course and prioritize growth in the upcoming years. As a result, we expect adjusted EBITDA to be close to flat in 2024. I will now detail four strategic priorities that we believe will propel our success. Our first strategic priority is to reignite our globally recognized brand. We are planning to revamp our brand marketing investments to get back to the forefront of travelers mind. Listing our branded visitor baseline will be key to return to growth, and we expect it to be a multiyear effort. As we approach the launch of our winter campaign, we are optimistic that we can demonstrate initial results by the first quarter of 2024. It's essential to note that our brand marketing isn't just about campaign. We treat it as a performance marketing channel that can be optimized over time. Growing from our summer learnings, there's a considerable scope of enhancement across multiple dimensions from media channel and country mix to stronger creative. As we find these elements, we plan to prioritize growth, as long as we see the anticipated incremental returns. Our second strategic priority is to provide a seamless hotel search experience. We are simplifying the search across hundreds of sites and millions of accommodations saving traveler a significant time. We are constantly enhancing the user journey by conducting experiments on all aspects of our products. In the past month, we have qualified a range of product tests with positive impact on our user experience and conversion. We are glad to share that we have completed our image migration to the Google Cloud. This step has improved the quality and selection of our images and will enable us to iterate faster on the visual experience for our users. Our third strategic priority is to deliver the best deal discovery experience. We want to be the short cast for finding great hotel deals and better prices. This is where we can play our strength and differentiate uniquely. Many travelers are price conscious and due to inflation that has become even more sensitive. Rate disparity has increased since the pandemic, which elevated the value of comparing prices, which introduced new ways of spotlighting savings and great deals in our search results. Getting price heavy travelers to return to trivago will be important for our future success. Our fourth strategic priority is to empower partners to realize their full potential on trivago. We're enhancing our marketplace infrastructure with more bidding granularity and rolling out a second price auction test in three relevant markets this quarter. By co-creating and innovating with our advertising partners, we aim to unlock user value throughout our metasearch and their booking journey. We are deepening our key partnerships and are encouraged by the active engagements we observe. Our brand strategy supports our commitment to remain a relevant marketing channel for our advertisers, driving high-quality traffic to them. In addition to our strategic pillars, we are committed to accelerating our pace of execution and fostering a culture of rapid learning. With increased velocity in our product development and have doubled the number of experiments we run on our website. The positive momentum within the organization is very tangible. Now, our operations are becoming more streamlined around the aforementioned strategic priorities. As we look ahead, we are confident of showcasing our enhancement and growth in 2024. As a last point, let me express my gratitude to Matthias, who is outstanding service to trivago in the last seven years. His leadership was instrumental in navigating the challenges of the pandemic and maintaining our financial stability. We are looking forward to Robin Harris, who will join as the new CFO next year. His expertise will enrich the leadership team in executing our new strategy. With that, I'd like to pass the floor to Matthias.
Matthias Tillmann: Thank you, Johannes, and welcome, everyone, on the call. Before I walk you through our third quarter results, I would like to thank our leadership team, Supervisory Board and all employees for supporting me during the last seven years. I've learned a lot and enjoyed working with amazing people. I will continue to support the company as a consultant during the first quarter to ensure a smooth transition to my successor, Robin Harrier. Now, turning to our results. I will review our results for the third quarter as well as our thoughts for the year. All comparisons for 2023 are on a year-over-year basis, unless otherwise indicated. Our revenue development in the third quarter was in line with our expectations. Revenue declined by 14% or at the same rate as in the second quarter, despite the loss of favorable tailwinds during the first half of 2023 from higher average booking values and foreign exchange headwinds, which negatively impacted our monetization level. Billing dynamics in our auction remained stable, albeit at lower monetization levels compared to the prior year, and we continue to observe ad format tests in Google. The combination led to volume losses on our platforms. However, the dynamic improved slightly compared to the second quarter. The net loss of €182.6 million in the third quarter as a result of a cumulative impairment charge of €196.1 million in connection with our annual investment lift intangible asset and goodwill impairment analysis. The impairment was primarily driven by adjustments made to our profitability outlook arising from the announced strategy shift to long-term growth and our share price declined during the third quarter of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA, which excludes the impairment of goodwill was €60 million, down from €33.5 million in the same period last year. Now, on to the dynamics in the different regions. We saw referral revenue declines in Americas and Europe, while referral revenue increased in our segment Rest of World, as most countries in that segment continue to recover post COVID. Referral revenue declined by 21% and 17% in Americas and Developed Europe, respectively. The decline was largely driven by a loss in performance marketing volumes as we continue to observe at Bonitas in Google, leading to fewer impressions of traditional tax adds for us. We started testing the new ad format. However, it is still too early to conclude on its potential. Other indication is that the traffic quality seems to be lower compared to tax ads. And consequently, the new ad formats did not compensate for the loss in high-quality traffic from tax ad. Preferred revenue in our segment Rest of World continue to grow driven by the recovery in markets like Japan, Turkey or Hong Kong. Overall, our referral revenue increased by 24%, driven by an increase in traffic volumes in all channels and higher average booking values. This was partly offset by negative foreign exchange effects. Moving on to our operational expenses. Excluding advertising expenses and the impairment of intangible assets and goodwill our operational expenses decreased by 13%. -- compensation expenses, including share-based compensation and commission and other fees related to noncore products that we stopped last year were the main driver for lower operational expenses. Our cash and cash equivalents balance at the end of the quarter was €299 million. We have taken steps to improve our capital structure and reward our investors with a special onetime dividend of €184.4 million, which reflects our confidence in the future. Our shareholders approved the distribution of the onetime dividend on November 1, and we anticipate the payment of the distribution to ADS holders to be made on November 13, 2023. Let me close with an outlook on the fourth quarter. The main travel trends remained stable in October. We continue to see robust travel demand and elevated average booking values on our platforms in all regions. The dynamic in performance marketing channels remains volatile, while monetization levels in our own auction have normalized. As a result, the year-over-year referral revenue development in October was in line with our third quarter results for all regions. During the third quarter, we announced a shift in strategy, which aims to fuel long-term growth. We intend to start intensifying our brand marketing investments already in the second half of the fourth quarter. We expect the short-term effect on traffic volumes to be limited. However, we are confident that the investments will help us to increase our brand base and traffic over time and keep trivago on top of traveler's minds, which is crucial to achieve our goal of sustained long-term growth. For the full year 2023, we expect our adjusted EBITDA to be around €50 million. With that, let's open the line for questions. Operator, we are now ready to take the first question, please.
Operator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from the line of Naved Khan, B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is now open
Q – Naved Khan: Yes. Thank you. I just had a couple of questions. Maybe the first one, for Johannes. As you kind of start on your brand-advertising strategy, Johannes, you're also seeing some pressure on the performance channels. And I'm wondering if you think you can offset the pressure and performance with the initial taking – end up in the brand channels? Or do you think you can more than offset that? Just give us your thoughts there. Also, if I look back historically, marketing spend as a percentage of revenue has been as high as in the 18 percentage. Should we expect to kind of go back to those levels and then expect optimization from those levels? Or is that not necessarily case? How should we think about that?
Johannes Thomas: Yes. So thank you for your question. I can cover the first one. I think what we clearly see that we can offset the current drop, I think Google is volatile. It's unclear whether that is a long-term volume loss in Google. We are experimenting with the new format. So -- it's not that this will be gone forever. We're exploring it. And Google will do changes in their self-preferencing in Europe. And that is also something that's hard to predict how this plays out, but this is until Q1 where we expect changes in volatility and then hopefully, things get a bit more clear. From a brand marketing, we substantially invest into brands, and we do believe that we can turn to growth next year. So offsetting that also in the short term. Brand is -- brand has compounding effect. So it's a multiyear effort of consistently investing into brand. And then you have people coming back in campaign in the first year and then also in the following years. And that's why it's a multiyear effort and brand where you consistently invest, build your branded visitor baseline over time. And you see the stronger impact later down the line.
Matthias Tillmann: Yes. And Naved, let me take your second question. So Johan, has mentioned that for next year with the shift in strategy, how we should think about our profitability and adjusted EBITDA is that it will -- we anticipate it to be positive, but we focus on growth. So as we have done in the past, as we've done pre-COVID. And when you look at that, if you look at our cost structure, you see that as a percentage of revenue, that's likely to be above -- just above 20% for 2023. In absolute terms, we believe it will be similar next year. And then -- I mean, we indicated already that we expect to grow next year again. We will give more specific guidance at the beginning of the year when we report the fourth quarter. But let's assume we grow at a stable operational expenses that brings that down to like 20%. And if you take that together, then you know that you need to achieve around 125% ROAS to be at an adjusted EBITDA breakeven. And that is something -- I mean that's I can think of the lower bound. And when you do the math, then you see that getting you close to the 80% that we had. One thing I would mention as well is it's still early. I mean that's the direction we want to take for next year. But obviously, it depends also on what we see. I mentioned that we will start ramping up brand towards the end of the year. We plan to invest early next year as well. And obviously, we take the learnings that we see, and that will inform what we continue to do throughout the year 2024. But I guess, yes, as a high level, how to think about the dynamics, that's probably a good starting point.
Naved Khan: Okay. And so just a quick clarification on the thoughts on EBITDA there. So, when you say flat, you're talking flat in terms of just margin or just absolute dollar amount, how should I think about that?
Matthias Tillmann: Exactly. In absolute dollar amount, we -- historically, we used to discipline ourselves to not run EBITDA losses, and that is what -- how we think about it as well now. But you shouldn't expect us to deliver significant positive EBITDA.
Naved Khan: Okay. One quick follow-up. So just on the -- in terms of trends in October, I think your commentary suggests, Johannes, that trends were stable in October in terms of the demand , is that a fair assumption? Or do you see any volatility or sign of weakness in terms of consumer demand?
Johannes Thomas: I think we see stable demand and not -- no concerns that we have on Q4 impact for -- in long-term.
Matthias Tillmann: Yes. Just to add to what I said is on a regional level, the -- when you look at volumes and also pricing, the dynamics were similar to what we reported for the third quarter. So no real change, and that was consistent across all three regions.
Naved Khan: Understood. Thank you very much.
Matthias Tillmann: Thank you, Naved
Operator: The next question today comes from the line of James Lee from Mizuho. Please go ahead, your line is now open.
James Lee: Great. Thanks for my questions. And I -- thank you so much for Matthias for all your help and you will be dearly missed. A couple of questions here. I think you guys have talked about in the past that you're seeing the length of stay by region and maybe slowing down and decreasing -- maybe consumer trading down. I was wondering maybe you can comment about that metric maybe by region? And also it would be helpful, maybe you can comment on the trends you're seeing and maybe quantify some of the increase or decrease you're seeing in ADRs in Europe and North America? Thanks.
Matthias Tillmann: Yes. Thank you, James. On length of stay, let me go through that by region, starting with Europe. What we saw in the third quarter is that length of stay only slightly decreased compared to last year, but we were lapping the effect of the larger decrease during summer last year. So when you look at it relative to 2019 levels, length of stay was down by mid-teens in developed Europe. In Americas, we did see the same decrease last year. And this year, we saw a slight decrease, but only slightly lower, so low single-digits. And rest of world, we don't see a meaningful change. So that was roughly stable. So that was on the first question. Can you remind me or repeat your second question was on ADRs, right?
James Lee: Yes. ADR, puts and takes by region? Thanks, Matthias.
Matthias Tillmann: Yes, sure. No, so starting with Europe, again, we saw slight increases throughout the quarter, like low single digits and with the slight decrease in length of stay, that led to a stable average booking value. So the basket value was roughly flat in Europe and again, driven by slightly higher ADR, slightly lower length of stay. In Americas, it's very similar with flattish ADRs and slightly lower length of stay, but there we had a negative foreign exchange effect as well. And that's why overall, the average basket value for us was slightly down year-over-year. And then in rest of world, dynamic is still very different as we saw a strong increase in ADR, let's call it, around 10%. Length of stay, roughly flat, and then also some foreign exchange headwinds leading to still higher average basket values, average booking values of around 10%. Does that help?
James Lee: And if I can -- yes, great. That’s definitely help. And last question here. Are you seeing any changes as you're looking at bookings into 4Q. You know, help us understand the booking window. Obviously, you saw a little bit elongated booking window in the first half of the year. Are you seeing like booking window kind of normalized? Just curious how much visibility on bookings you're looking at into 2024? Thanks.
Johannes Thomas: Yes. At this point, we don't have great visibility into 2024 because our booking window tends to be between 30 days and 60 days, depending on the region and time of the year. And at this time, I mean, what we do see is some bookings for the end of year holiday season. So there we see no big change. So as I said, dynamics are fairly flat compared to the third quarter. And overall booking windows have normalized for us. So there's no big difference to 2019.
Matthias Tillmann: And I think they have always been rather consistent without big changes over the last year.
James Lee: Okay. Great. Thank you so much.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] The next question today comes from the line of Lloyd Walmsley from UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.
Lloyd Walmsley: Thanks. Two, if I can. First, just can you help us understand the -- just the dynamic where you're seeing increased competition in performance channels on one hand, but reduced bidding dynamics on your platform on another. Is that all a function of changing ad formats in Google, and there's just more competition for pure text ads there? Or do you feel like customers are leaning out of the metasearch more towards Google? Anything you can share there would be helpful. And then the second one, just do you all have a sense for what the changes are going to be? I think you mentioned in Q1 from Google in Europe around self-preferencing and how that might impact you. Any sense of how that will impact things. Thanks.
Matthias Tillmann: Hey Lloyd. Yes, let me take your first question, and then Johannes can comment on your second. So I think it's -- I mean it's a good question. Like why are we seeing lower monetization levels in our own auction, but more competition or more competition in performance marketing standards? Let me first comment on our auction. It's consistent with what we have seen in the second quarter already. So how we look at it is that monetization levels normalized. So we see that there is healthy competition in our auction and what we are seeing in terms of bidding dynamics makes sense. And I think it was rather last year that the auction was a bit hot, and we saw inflated levels. And that's why we're saying it's normalized now. And yes, that's what we have seen in the third quarter as well Why we see increased competition on performance marketing channels, I think it's more related to the ad test that we mentioned, because what is happening there is that we see different formats being introduced at the expense of the traditional ad works. And because of that, you see few impressions. And then if you have the same number of advertisers fighting for fewer slots, that's where you see more competition, not necessarily that people increase their bids because traffic quality change or something. But that is the dynamic there. And I don't think it's related to what you're alluding to, that advertisers leaning out of Net and shifting to Google. I think it's really the volatility that we see there related to those tests and then optimizing their campaigns on our platform and our other major platforms. But again, I think what I see makes sense, and it's actually a healthy auction right now.
Matthias Tillmann : And let me maybe address the sale preferencing. So they -- we expect Google to do changes until Q1 next year in Europe. And what, in essence, our understanding is that there will be less entry points to Google Hotel Ads, which means that basically the price comparison on Google is less visible, which in the long-term should adapt the habit of users of comparing price of Google and people more they search a hotel, they look for images and stuff and then they also compare price on Google natively and that is changing. The prices will be much less visible from what our interpretation is. And the short-term is difficult to understand where this is going. And I think it's hard to speculate. I think we will adapt and try to learn as much in how we can embrace the formats Google had. At the same time, we'll be curious to see how in the mid-term this might be a tailwind for us.
Lloyd Walmsley: Okay. Thank you
Matthias Tillmann : Thank you.
Operator: [Operator Instructions] There are no additional questions waiting at this time. So I'd like to pass the call back over to the management team for any closing remarks.
Johannes Thomas : Thank you for your continued trust in trivago and joining us today. We are energized by the journey that we ever had and are very focused on executing on our strategic priorities. So stay safe, remember when you think hotel, it's trivago. Thank you.
Operator: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.
